“as a former bullied kid, I always figured it started from rejection. Online, one rarely hears the latter discussed with respect, and there are good reasons for that…but I’ve enjoyed books by all three of the authors that I named. The author is well-read; the book feels impeccably-researched – but, for all the sourced quotations being thrown at the wall, sometimes it feels like a “whatever sticks” approach – Wilson's own opinion gets lost amidst his citations. Is there something innate about the things we like and dislike? I especially loved his chapter on sentimentality. I. Available Now. Holy Crap. However, that was taken, Fun but not substantive enough. Prescriptive based on descriptive is good, I think. This book documents Carl Wilson's brave and unprecedented year-long quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan, and explores how we define ourselves in the light of what we call good and bad, what we love and what we hate. Tedious tripe. Fun but not substantive enough. In the end, the real value of this book is in the tools that it gives to the reader: Wilson provides a way of thinking–a mode of internal dialogue–that allows the reader to interrogate his own tastes. Jesus, a guy works for a year to boil the whole of aesthetics down to 150 pages, and you want me to summarize it in a paragraph? Lewis’ nonfiction work. (A Dance With Dragons), The first and last novels that made me cry, Life is too short to waste time on boring books, If you die and leave me with your brilliant unfinished manuscripts, I will burn them, The poverty and evanescence of literary acclaim in SF, Why I am deeply suspicious of Malcolm Gladwell, A Journal of the Plague Year, by Daniel Defoe, Vanity Fair, by William Makeapeace Thackeray, “If the world could write by itself, it would write like Tolstoy.”. Anatomy of a literary pageturner Bleak House, by Charles Dickens A Journal of the Plague Year, by Daniel Defoe Vanity Fair, by William Makeapeace Thackeray “If the world could write by itself, it would write like Tolstoy.” Wired Magazine Farthing, by Jo Walton Red Plenty, by Francis Spufford Wide Sargasso Sea, by Jean Rhys Burmese Days, by George Orwell Horatio Hornblower, by C.S. $10. Six played-out teen contemporary tropes (most of which I've used!). There's nothing cool about Céline Dion, and nothing clever. Carl Wilson is a profound listener and an extraordinary writer. But unlike the other books in the 33 ⅓ series, Dion’s album is barely touched upon as Wilson chooses instead to examine what “taste” is and how people form critical opinions in culture. I’d never even heard of “An Experiment in Criticism”, but I have been meaning to check out some of C.S. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Some SF fans will, perhaps, try to connect this to endless (and endlessly tedious) debate about genre fiction and literary fiction. I’ve been lurking around here for a while now-I think your stuff is excellent. Wilson covers an astonishing amount - why rockism is both stupid and natural, my problems with glibness (both in the sense that I do it too much and in the sense that I think it's a problem), sincerity, just a ton of stuff. Another re-read (a running theme of this time in our history, perhaps), this is Carl Wilson's great exploration of what "taste" means and why some people have "bad taste." Ultimately, this book is a riveting investigation of what it means to love music and what it means to hate music. That's part of her appeal as an object of love or hatred - with most critics and committed music fans taking … For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore At once among the most widely beloved and most reviled and lampooned pop stars of the past few decades, Céline Dion's critics call her mawkish and overblown while millions of fans around the world adore her “huge pipes” and even bigger feelings. A remarkable book. Have you ever felt like you were better than those people who love, The 33 1/3 series would seem to be pretty much bulletproof in terms of hipster cred. In the Aeroplane Over The Sea, OK Computer, Pink Moon, Rid of Me, Paul’s Boutique, Loveless, Meat is Murder… even if your own choices for an “essential/seminal albums” list are different, these titles all have a lot going for them. Book Review: Let’s Talk About Love: Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste by Carl Wilson. I remember being at sound-system dances and hearing everyone from Bob Marley Kenny Rogers (yes, Kenny Rogers) to Sade to Yellowman to Beenie Man being blasted at top volume while the crowd danced and drank up a storm. That's part of her appeal as an object of love or hatred — with most critics and comm. 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Not merely a great 33 1/3 book, but a great and delightfully original work of criticism, period. Great….these are aaaaaall going on my list. Carl Wilson is not a fan of Celine Dion's music. AND I think I finally understood all those Kant readings from 1 page of this book. Why do they then go further and say “My kind of stuff [be it novels, movies or pop music] is actually, Have you ever laughed at someone who claimed to actually enjoy Celine Dion's music? I’m glad you enjoyed it. We laud people with ‘good taste’ and revile those with ‘bad taste’. I haven't read any of the other selections in the, those who are obsessed with pop culture and somehow have a heart to like Celine Dion. BUY IT! Carl Wilson manages to drop Fanon and Kant all over the place and not be remotely pretentious! ML420.D565W55 2007 782.42164092--dc22 2007040095 It’s more academic and direct than ‘Let’s Talk About Love,’ and also has the advantage of having been written before ironic appreciation came along and thoroughly muddled how we think, or ought to think, about ‘bad’ art. If Conor O. If respect or simple fairness were denied you, you’d build a great life (the best revenge)” Page 8, Paragraph 2. Growing up in Quebec in the early 2000s, it was difficult to miss her ubiquitous media presence: first, there was, of course, the sheer unavoidability of her nasal intonations at the Carrefour d'Argenteuil shopping mall, outside of La Crémière ice cream, at the local Wal-Mart, on the patios of the pubs downtown, and really anywhere else you could set up a speakers. I learned more from this 160 page book about aesthetics than I did in an entire class my senior year. But then there were also the skits mocking her latest round of excesses on the. Wilson, using the perhaps low-hanging-fruit of her 1997 a. Plus, I listed to. Fun, fascinating read. I don’t like talking about my taste in music very much. Rather, he seems to come to the conclusion that all the listeners are responding to much the same qualities, but he is responding to them negatively while her listeners respond to them positively. 0. However, because I just finished reading a book that spent a few dozen pages covering the social dimensions of taste, I’m also painfully aware that the reason I want to rave about this book is because it’s much more obscure than most of my other favorite books. Writing Fiction, by Edith Wharton I devoured criticism from a young age, from the extremely overrated (Lester Bangs) to the grossly underappreciated (Ellen Willis). In the end, he starts thinking about the ways that we, as critical and art-loving people, can create a world where the struggle between good taste and bad taste isn’t quite so life and death. Along with being a tremendously important piece of criticism, Let s Talk About Love is an agile, moving, and generous exploration of the music that accompanies us, welcome or not, on the travels we all need to make on our own. I always feel as though I’ve been given a brief moment in which to explain myself, to justify my own choices in a kind of secret language which ends up revealing far more about my personality than I might wish other people to know. Non-fans regard Céline Dion as ersatz and plastic, yet to those who love her, no one could be more real, with her impoverished childhood, her (creepy) manager-husband's struggle with cancer, her knack for howling out raw emotion. English. I have touched those things and they felt so good! It's perhaps hard to remember how universal Celine Dion was at the close of the Nineties, when "My Heart Will Go On" was every-damn-where and her enthusiastic, bombastic style of singing drowned out anyone else trying to make a living at the time (hyperbole, but still). Getting tired of all the oppression-based critique of narrative art. He spent a lot of quality time with her blockbuster album Let's Talk About Love for his new book. Apple Books Preview. What makes something a guilty pleasure instead of music you are proud to admit you enjoy? (As God does.) Awesome! I’d recommend starting with ‘Abolition of Man’- it’s an excellent outline of his general moral philosophy. Carl Wilson manages to drop Fanon and Kant all over the place and not be remotely pretentious! At the end, he finds himself in a “can't we all just get along?” posture that is heartening, but not nearly as fun as the early stages of his argument, when he is demarcating the boundaries of why certain groups take exception to certain other groups' definitions of what defines “good taste” -- or, at least, “good times.”, Holy Crap. Most elite consumers of culture are omnivores. Not in conversation, anyway. p. cm. by Carl Wilson. The only Céline Dion performance I willingly listen to is one of her most incongruous. I always feel as though I’ve been given a brief moment in which to explain myself, to justify my own choices in a kind of secret language which ends up revealing far more about my personality than I might wish other people to know. “Let's Talk About Love” is a studious, A-plus paper on the topic of “taste,” but it's also very dry, very quote-heavy, and very resistant (to use one of the author's, Carl Wilson's, own key words) to its own innate charms -- those charms being its personal touches: the book sparks to life in moments (like when Wilson flashes back to his ex-wife's performance of Buddy Holly's “Oh Boy” to express her feelings for her then … 33 1/3. As an economically and socially mobile artist, I’ve done my best to distance myself from these early loves, but maybe that wasn’t the right thing for me to do. The same goes for books and video games. In the Aeroplane Over The Sea, OK Computer, Pink Moon, Rid of Me, Paul’s Boutique, Loveless, Meat is Murder… even if your own choices for an “essential/seminal albums” list are different, these titles all have a lot going for them. What do you do when the writing isn't easy? Does anyone know? Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste. Wilson's cursory examinations of taste--that no one's preferences are formed in a vacuum but that we use taste to align ourselves with and distance ourselves from certain socioeconomic groupings--should be apparent without needing research results. Anyone have any good discussion questions for this book? I was 12 years old. We’ve also been liberated by “poptimism,” whose major text, Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love, has just been reissued. I'm sorry, but no. Why do people like this kind of stuff and not that kind of stuff? Popular music--History and criticism. Start by marking “Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste” as Want to Read: Error rating book. He’s one of my all-time favorites. November 23rd 2007 I truly believe that Wilson loves music and I feel his love in this book about something he hates. Whether its success is because of its unusual approach, or simply because it’s about a best-selling artist, I don’t know; one would have to undertake the same kind of sociological survey of … Goodreads helps you keep track of books you want to read. Dion, Céline--Criticismand interpretation. This may be my favorite book ever written about music, at least one of my favorites. + Regardless, it’s really good.) As a music critic, Wilson’s stock in trade is his good taste. The Game of Thrones television show is superior to the books. Confessions of a Pick-up Artist Chaser The Power and the Glory, by Graham Greene Does anyone actually enjoy cliffhangers? What we have agreed to call tastes, he said, is an array of symbolic associations we use to set ourselves apart from those whose social ranking is beneath us, and to take aim at the status we think we deserve. Series. 2. I think the good/bad dichotomy is especially hard to escape. Slate music critic Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love was first published at the end of 2007 as part of the 33⅓ series of books on albums. Even I'm not that crazy! We asked the... Non-fans regard Céline Dion as ersatz and plastic, yet to those who love her, no one could be more real, with her impoverished childhood, her (creepy) manager-husband's struggle with cancer, her knack for howling out raw emotion. I hate the subtitle to this edition, but everything else is pretty great. And he's Canadian! Let’s Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste. More interesting is the information about the effect on dopamine levels when we encounter new music and the payoff when our brains resolve more difficult listening into what we identify as music. I want to call this the best book I’ve read all year. My reading record isn't accurate at all anymore, but quite frankly I'm not even sure I even give a damn. By my current standards, I have often had some pretty bad taste. The 33 1/3 series would seem to be pretty much bulletproof in terms of hipster cred. "LETS TALK ABOUT LOVE" BY CARL WILSON READING SUMMARIES Chapters 1-4 Summary (One Paragraph): The book, “Lets Talk About Love” by Carl Wilson, analysis the music and life of Celine Dion. That’s what Carl Wilson sets out to discover in his look at Dion’s album Let’s Talk About Love. ‘A Grief Observed’ is also really good- more autobiographical than philosophical, but still an incredible gut punch of a book. So with that in thought and with an open mind he goes into the world of Dion as well as the fans and of course fellow music lovers who hate her music. If your revised manuscript still has the same events in the same order, then what's the point? Paperback, 176 pages. That's part of her appeal as an object of love or hatred — with most critics and committed music fans taking pleasure (or at least geeky solace) in their lofty contempt. Very few emotional effects are more vilified than the sentimental, and very few emotional effects are so detrimental to a work’s odds of being considered a high-quality, durable work of art. Can’t be done. So, just to be clear: I'm not actually reading all these books in a day unless I state otherwise, alright? More accessible than your standard-order Bourdieu but not lacking in thoroughness... eager to tackle the essays from the expanded edition at some point! Description. To see what your friends thought of this book, This is a beautiful meditation on art, one of the best I’ve ever read. Basically Wilson hates this particular album, but he wants to know why. Suffice it to say, Wilson gets something out of the whole endeavor. As he puts it: “The virtuosity that cool audiences today applaud, the sort Celine always fumbles, is not about having a multioctave voice or flamenco-fast fingers: It’s about being able to manipulate signs and symbols, to hitch them up and decouple them in a blink of an eye, to quote Homer but in the voice of Homer Simpson.”. Really solid distillation of taste, given a nearly-universal framing. I’ll definitely give it a try; I’m very interested in other treatments of this topic. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Let's Talk About Love (Kobo eBook) By Carl Wilson. For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore how we define ourselves by what we call good and bad, what we love and what we hate. But—and this is serious—reading Carl Wilson’s “Let’s Talk About Love” could make you a better person. His writing style and perspective about taste and perception. Carl Wilson, a music critic and an editor at The Globe and Mail, isn’t a Dion fan, but he earnestly wants to be one, … And he doesn’t fall into the trap of saying, “Well, everything is worthwhile if you think about it hard enough.” No, he retains a kind of objectivity (and a kind of belief in artistic quality) while still learning to perceive (and, sort of, appreciate) the ways in which Celine’s music is good. Continuum International Publishing Group. And for a significant fraction of my life, I had bad taste in a completely unreconstructed way. Continuum International Publishing Group. I also remember always hearing Celine Dion blasting at high volume whenever I passed through volatile and dangerous neighborhoods, so much that it became a cue to me to walk, run or drive faster if I was ever in a neighborhood I didn't know and heard Celine Dion mawking over the airwaves.”, “Bourdieu's interpretation was that tastes were serving as strategic tools. The only thing that it’s still per-se uncool to like (except in a hip, self-aware way) is the mainstream: that thin slice of very popular work (primarily marketed towards middle-aged people) that exists in sort of a null territory–stuff like Two And A Half Men or a Tom Clancy novel. What defines “good taste”? Dion, Céline. Personally, I often struggle to produce criticism that is descriptive rather than prescriptive. His chapters on Celine’s background and place in Canadian culture are interesting, and I found much to think about in his intermediate chapters (which are a more generalized discussion of aesthetics), but concluding chapters (on the the elements of her appeal) are masterful. I read ‘Let’s Talk About Love’ on your recommendation, and really enjoyed it. The same goes for books and video games. It can be but not really tailored made for the Celine Dion fan, but this book is really about the nature of taste in pop(ular) music and it's a fascinating read because of it. I thought some musicians were Right (The Ramones, T. Rex, The Replacements) and that entire genres were Wrong (country, emo, disco). Nothing in my life has been more rewarding than reading books from the canon. Local Nav Open Menu Local Nav Close Menu. Yes, definitely. 3. His writing style and perspective about taste and perception are spot on for me. Please please please leave this book on the shelf and instead seek out the 33-1/3 volume on, “Let's Talk About Love” is a studious, A-plus paper on the topic of “taste,” but it's also very dry, very quote-heavy, and very resistant (to use one of the author's, Carl Wilson's, own key words) to its own innate charms -- those charms being its personal touches: the book sparks to life in moments (like when Wilson flashes back to his ex-wife's performance of Buddy Holly's “Oh Boy” to express her feelings for her then-beau while in the throes of their infatuation; or when the author is besides, “Let's Talk About Love” is a studious, A-plus paper on the topic of “taste,” but it's also very dry, very quote-heavy, and very resistant (to use one of the author's, Carl Wilson's, own key words) to its own innate charms -- those charms being its personal touches: the book sparks to life in moments (like when Wilson flashes back to his ex-wife's performance of Buddy Holly's “Oh Boy” to express her feelings for her then-beau while in the throes of their infatuation; or when the author is besides himself during a Celine Dion concert, next to a weeping fan behind sunglasses). By crowing about it, I’m making a pretty naked ploy to increase my relative social status by showing off the wide range of my reading. We just have to … try at least … to explain why we came to those judgments, otherwise they aren’t much use to other people. Thoughts engendered by my return to computer gaming after an absence of two and a half years We should all stop being so self-deprecating The Television / Refrigerator Axiom. Sam. His sojourn to Las Vegas is promising – how he plans to interview Dion fans but finds himself too cowed to do so – but it never resolves itself in any dramatically satisfying way. The kind of contempt that’s mobilized by “cool” taste is inimical to that sympathy, to an aesthetics that might support a good public life.”. Refresh and try again. by Bloomsbury Academic, Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste. Share. Celine Dion Let's Talk About Love. AKA, this book is freaking awesome. Or, at least, we don’t treat it that way. Growing up in Quebec in the early 2000s, it was difficult to miss her ubiquitous media presence: first, there was, of course, the sheer unavoidability of her nasal intonations at the Carrefour d'Argenteuil shopping mall, outside of La Crémière ice cream, at the local Wal-Mart, on the patios of the pubs downtown, and really anywhere else you could set up, Being not only Canadian, but a Quebec-born French Canadian myself, I can certainly match, if not exceed, Carl Wilson's distaste for Céline Dion. It would be no solution to say we have to love everything, the equivalent of loving nothing. And perhaps I do want to reveal something, from time to time, but for the most part I want to express an opinion peculiar to the person to whom I am talking. Even the 33 1/3 titles that would seem plum targets for the irony game — ABBA Gold, for one — have passed through the karaoke vortex and been certified cool. $24.99; $24.99; Publisher Description. For me, reading this book providing a road-map for journeying into the heart of my own motivations. Let’s talk about love. Book Reviews. I don’t like talking about my taste in music very much. Non-fans regard Céline Dion as ersatz and plastic, yet to those who love her, no one could be more real, with her impoverished childhood, her (creepy) manager-husband's struggle with cancer, her knack for howling out raw emotion. Carl Wilson’s book about Céline Dion’s Let’s Talk about Love is apparently the best-selling volume in the 33 1/3 series; of those I’ve read so far, it’s also the one that diverges most boldly from the usual parameters. A warm and thoughtful analysis of cultural influences on Celine Dion, as well as the cultural influences that shape how we view her. Have I really just spent the last 3 days convincing my friends, loved ones and neighborhood shop keepers how misunderstood and really amazing Celine Dion is?.Thanks to this fantastic book, I have. Andy Battaglia. If you dislike my novel, you're really not alone! A much-needed diversion. Thoughts engendered by my return to computer gaming after an absence of two and a half years, We should all stop being so self-deprecating. Like 99.9% of music writers, he can't stand her music's cosmetic drama or its blaringly bland arrangements. By (author) Carl Wilson. Right now, the cool thing is to have extremely diverse tastes–as long as your taste is for something marginal, it doesn’t matter whether it’s marginal high art (poetry) or marginal low art (autobiographical comics). For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore how we define ourselves by what we call good and bad, what we love and what we hate. 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